Year End Lists by Position – 2B

While catcher and first base were pretty simple, second base gets more complicated, primarily by eligibility issues.

First, I need to explain what I’m doing here. I’m listing prospects by one position only, and at that, the position where I think that the player fits best on a Major League roster.

Second, second is often a second-choice position. Most of the guys who play second were shortstops at some point in their lives. They move to second because, with a much shorter throw to first, it’s an easier position. All the same, second is not ojectively “easy.” A good second baseman has, at a minimum, almost as much range as a good shortstop, sure hands, and good footwork around the bag for doubleplays and stolen base attempts.

Whereas I could have credibly listed Wilmer Flores as a first baseman, I did not. I am not listing him as a second baseman either. It is not his best position. I suspect that were he to play it everyday, it would result in a Lucas Duda in leftfield type of math, where he would give back much of the offensive gains he provided with his limited range.

Second base
1. Dilson Herrera
2. Danny Muno
3. LJ Mazzilli
4. Philip Evans

1. Herrera was the minor leauger the Mets acquired from the Pirates with Vic Black for John Buck and Marlon Byrd. He played the entire 2013 as a young 19-year-old in the SAL and more than held his own, bopping 11 homers. He’s a good enough athlete for second, but does not have the arm for short. As a player with a reasonable shot to be an everyday guy in the big leagues, he’s comfortably in the top 15 Mets prospects. He should start 2014 in the Florida State League.

2. Muno looks like he has a utility guy ceiling to me after a .249/.384/.379 season in 127 games in Binghamton after his age 23 season. Remember, he beat up on lower the lower levels, bopping .355/.466/.514 as a 22-year-old with Brooklyn in 2011. He’s a very high walk player (16%) in AA, so even if his pure hit tool is a little short, he found his way on base.

3. Mazzilli, the Mets’ 4th round pick this year out of UConn has Mets in his family blood and hit .278/.329/.381 as a 23-year-old in the New York-Penn League. I suspect he will start 2014 as an older position player in Savannah.

4. In his age 20 season, Evans hit .203/.268/.262 for Savannah in 106 games in a year that ended early with a strained back. Evans worked his way into better shape as the 2013 season went on, but I just don’t see him as a shortstop if he makes the big leagues. Although his performance hardly screamed “promotion,” with Gavin Cecchini likely headed to Savannah to play shortstop everyday, Evans either has to move up to St. Lucie or move off of short.

16 comments
Marcus Jensen
Marcus Jensen

I'm not sure how many people notice this, but Muno drew 92 walks last year. That's an elite eye. Granted, he was 24 and at AA, but still, 92 walks in 127 games is 92 walks.

Marcus Jensen
Marcus Jensen

Muno is a talented little proto 2B and one of my favorite Mets prospects. A bit undersized unfortunately, but very talented. I bet he eventually makes it to the majors at some point as an injury fill-in.

Sebastian de Sade
Sebastian de Sade

Hey Toby,

I guess TJ Rivera has virtually no chance of making the majors then?

natew
natew

It would be nice to be able to compare these to your 2013 top 41.  Any chance of that going in the side bar as a link? 

The Feels
The Feels

"Second, second is often a second-choice position." Nice. 

dtgaff
dtgaff

Why do you hate Flores? All he does is produce.

ltkmetsref
ltkmetsref

Muno's 244 average looks bad but he had an ugly start and a strong finish.   He also struggles vs lefty pitchers and while he's currently a switch hitter, he's not a very good one and might work better as a straight lefty hitter.    Still, I wouldn't go much above utility player as his ceiling, but he could possibly be a useful enough bat at 2nd, especially in a platoon role.    Depends how he holds up against more advanced pitching.

Daniel
Daniel

No way could Flores be Lucas Duda-bad at 2B. Duda has a -34.4 UZR/150 in the OF for his career. I think Flores could be a -10 UZR/150 kind of guy at worst which isn't that bad since 2B gets a +2.5 positional adjustment. If he hits like we expect, he should provide similar or better value than Murphy at 2B. I agree that his best position is at 3B, but he should be able to play a below average 2B, not an absolutely horrendous one.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

It is very interesting to me looking at the players in this way. The mets minor league system has come a long way in a short period of time. 3 short years ago the top 15 was 1. Ike 2. F-Mart 3. Mejia 4. Neise 5. Thole 6. Flores 7. Holt 8. Kirk 9. Famillia 10. Havens. 11. Tejada 12. Marte 13. Allen 14. Matz 15. Puello..


Very thin at spots like C, SS, 2nd.. and no real Elite potential guys outside a half dozen...(Ike, Neise, Matz, Mejia) Due to injuries some guys took longer.


Now we are 3 positions in, and we have the top of each being a borderline All-Star caliper ceiling with the 2nd guy being possible starter/ utility player... and we haven't even gotten to SP'ers yet which is where this system is strong now. at SS you will have Cecchini and Rosario in some sort of order, and at 3rd obviously will be Flores.... OF will have Puello and others.... 


Just seems weird to not have to bank on the top 1-5 guys being HITS for a system to be successful.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@dtgaffdoesn't hate him actually. Toby has loved his bat for a long time. Unfortunately he has NO position on the mets.

Marcus Jensen
Marcus Jensen

@ltkmetsref .244 is an amazing average when with that the OBP is .384! Muno is clearly one of the most underrated prospects in the system.

Jeff Roland
Jeff Roland

@Mark Kelly 

eh, it was basically a 15-20 system then and its basically a 15-20 system now. especially because you cant count wheeler anymore

Hank259
Hank259

@Mark Kelly 


While I remain much more cautious about our system than you old pal, I think you're right. 2B looks a little scary compared to C and 1B, but it's still much better than we've become accustomed to. If these guys take the steps forward we're expecting in 2014, this system will finally start getting some love on the national level. 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Jeff Rolandits still at 15-20 system due to lack of depth... But the top 10-20 prospects on the current list dwarf what was on this list 3 short years ago.

Sylvan Migdal
Sylvan Migdal

@Jeff Roland There's no way the Mets' system isn't stronger now than it was in 2010. Thor and d'Arnaud are both clearly better prospects than anyone the Mets had then, and the depth guys further down have more upside.


And while the graduation of Wheeler hurts their technical spot in a farm system ranking, it still demonstrates that the Mets system actually is graduating elite talent these days, whereas the biggest prospect who debuted for the Mets in 2009 was Josh Thole.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Hank259@Mark KellyI'm cautious and it's still not as deep as i would like need, but it is getting there.You are still reliant on the top guys having to be successful, but your starting to see some depth show as you look down the system.